CEVO L4D2 Protest

[CreativeAspect]

On today's CEVO L4D2 scavenge match, teams expressed their frustration over the CEVO's enforced time limit by drawing out their match for as long as possible.

What do you think about this?

Does this protest seem right?

Is their protest justified but are they going about this the wrong way?

Let us know your thoughts!

[leogeo2]

Waste of mine, the other casters and our many viewers time.

[Kleinmuuhg]

very mature method lol

[AK_47]

The point was made, besides the viewers seem to enjoy it.

[McPooperton]

I was in the vent during this. What really seemed to piss the teams off is that CEVO was forcing them to play so the casters could cast. They cared more about the cast then what the teams wanted. This is a terrible way to run a tournament and they have every right to be pissed. The admins should allow teams to play when they actually have their players on; this has been going on all tournament.

That being said, I don't see any rules the teams broke. there was an over reaction by the admins and casters, which in the end makes them look bad. Especially when they go as far as to ban the top 2 teams out of alienware.

The majority of the community supports the action of these teams http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1131758 . Anyone that was in that tournament knows how poorly it was run. And having a match casted should ALWAYS take back seat to having the teams being able to play.

[leogeo2]

Odd to see how so many people believe that this ruling was made by PTV. I'd like to know where they got that idea.

[AegisKay]

CEVO never put a time limit on L4D Vs matches and if anyone remembers the 3 hour casts, they really dragged out. It wasn't a bad thing though, since those watching the casts do so for their own enjoyment. And unlike any other sport, we've got IRC to keep us entertained should the cast drag out. Fast scavenge matches are too short and confusing. Longer ones are much more interesting, since the infected team have the advantage.

[Kleinmuuhg]

its funny how this 18+ game league has more problems then wc3 dota or wow leagues with 12-18 year olds xD

[AegisKay]

12 - 18 year old folk don't need to protest. If there are rules in place, they stick with them. The L4D2 community has a valid reason to protest. Even a semi good team could essentially tie till the finale then get a lucky break against a really good team. Hell, they might get a lucky death charge or something and then it hits the fan. Its the same problem as with L4D1 in the early CEVO days. Either things have to be made really hard for the survivors to survive, or the scoring system has to change.

[Dreamer]

Gonna make it really simple for everyone. Cevo wanted to instate a time limit in their leagues game. The teams didn't like what they did in their league and acted up. The 2 teams got removed from their tournament and future tournaments. See a trend it's their league and can do with it what they want. People complain well they don't care about the community well in a sense you are right, they don't seem to care about what you think the community should be like. They aren't running a completely free league they are trying to make money. Just like most people playing in this league are either trying to make a name for themselves or trying to win a prize. You don't like the prize don't sign up. You don't like the way they run the league don't sign up.

[Conflag]

They should have just refused to play from the get go instead of getting in-game and then wasting time. This is not only not an organized effective boycott, it's not of a large enough scale to produce any type of result, and there is the obvious backlash that is going to split any supporters they would have had if they had gone about this the right in half.

I don't necessarily think their grievance is a non-issue, but they handled it in the most asinine way possible, and now they should have been aware of the consequences of their actions. If they're banned, then so be it.

[JDCorley]

I agree with the idea that the scoring of scavenge (and maybe versus) for L4D2 really needs to change for competitive play.  I'm cool with that.  I don't have any clear ideas what it should be, and I don't mind a degree of luck in competitive play (crazy upsets at the last minute due to luck or a single mistake can happen in competitive sports too) but I'm all right with the idea it needs to change.

That said, an in-game protest is not the way to get that. If you don't want to play by a league's rules, and they won't change it, the best thing to do is gracefully bow out and allow others who do want to play by those rules to enjoy themselves.

[Kleinmuuhg]

I agree , luck cant be an argument to whine about, cause even in classic competitive e-sport like wc3 ( item drops) or quake live ( respawn) its random , and you can be either luck or not, it somehow makes the game exciting if the players dont control the game to 100%, cause it just would be to predictable and boring.

[leogeo2]

Can't argue about luck? Random spreading of shotguns and random crits were huge arguments in TF2.

[Hojunhu]

The 2 teams got removed from their tournament and future tournaments.

Learn what you're talking about. They just got removed from Alienware, that's it, that's all and it's just those two teams. The sponsors didn't get blacklisted and they weren't removed from all competitive gaming. It was just (understandable) anger-fueled talk from somebody affected from this protest. I'm not saying the protest was right, not saying it was wrong because it's not my place. I'm saying know your facts if you're gonna comment.